Jennifer Chiba Ruled out of Elliott Smith Estate

In a 2-1 decision, the California appellate court ruled that Jennifer Chiba, former girlfriend of deceased songsmith Elliott Smith, can not claim money from Smith’s estate for her work booking gigs and managing his career, as she claimed.

From AOL:

The state labor commissioner and later the trial court ruled Chiba was not allowed to make a claim on the estate because she acted as an unlicensed talent agent under the state’s Talent Agencies Act.

Smith died four years ago on Sunday. Autum de Wilde‘s photo book is available now.

Word of mouth news: According to a friend of a friend, Jennifer is “really nice” and “had nothing to do with Elliott’s death.”

Emo Cry Yourself To Sleep News: The last track on New Moon, “Half Right” gets me every time.

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42 Responses to Jennifer Chiba Ruled out of Elliott Smith Estate

  1. smell the coffee January 7, 2008 at 2:03 am #

    something is very fishy…

    considering the direction of the stabs were atypical to those generally seen in cases of self inflicted stab wounds. also, there was no hesitation wound, inconsistent with that generally seen in those kinda cases.

    Most importantly, I have read that Chiba stated that they were having an argument.

    And what happens again and again when couples fight?…

    C’mon people…

    They very often physically HURT EACH OTHER!

    I think given the facts of the case she most likely stabbed him and then covered her tracks and
    the reason the police took no action is they know
    they HAVE TO PROVE IT, or have better than a 50% chance of proving it. This is very difficult given that the probable murderer is the only witness and the physical evidence is inconclusive at best.

    People keep stressing that he sang about suicide and was depressed BUT at least he was dealing with those feelings in his music and -with medication.

    She most likely stabbed him, or, in the .03% chance that the laws of physics and typical human relationships were suspended and he did do it,
    then she drove him, or partly drove him, to do it, as it happened while they were fighting

    • Tofutti November 10, 2009 at 9:46 pm #

      i agree.

  2. jhg March 6, 2008 at 1:36 am #

    “Smell the coffee” your facts are wrong and your logic is wrong and your in the wrong position to fart out comments like that.

  3. Leni March 10, 2008 at 10:11 am #

    The facts are not wrong. The location and direction of the stab wounds were consisted with self-infliction, but the lack of hesitation wounds is what give the investigators a possible homicide scenario. Two small wounds were found in his left hand and right arm corresponding to possible DEFENSIVE WOUNDS.
    Why would you defense yourself from you if you want to kill yourself?
    Plus the removal of the knife is weird. Everybody knows not to remove a knife from a stab victim cause the only thing impeding the victim to bleed out is the knife itself.

    Plus who in their right mind sue the person you allegedly loved right after they died just to get money. Is a known fact that Jennifer Chibba stole items from Elliott after his death and then disappeared from the face off the earth.
    A bit fishy.

    • Amerigo March 5, 2010 at 1:59 am #

      Dude, you need to get yourself edumacated. Even if you’re right, you’re still a horrible dumb sh*t. Learn the language you speak. Idiot.

  4. caliban May 22, 2008 at 3:05 am #

    Leni yeah you are right.I also thinks a bit weird that she only realised there was a note after the police were talking. It’s a bit weird since she wrote the note herself:P

    Eitherway I’d like to believe Elliott killed himself.It gives him so much more control.

  5. caliban May 22, 2008 at 3:06 am #

    she’s also really really dumb for pulling out the knife.

  6. Emma July 19, 2008 at 9:14 am #

    I completely believe that she did it.

  7. Eric July 21, 2008 at 9:41 am #

    People need to separate Smith’s music from the facts of the case. Smith was a heavy drug user and alcoholic to the point of paranoia and memory loss at this point. He had a history of fighting in bars and tried to attack police officers at a Flaming Lips concert in LA. Smith also was a self-mutilator.

    The quote from the Flaming Lips singer about Smith at that time is he “saw a guy who had lost control of himself. He was needy, he was grumpy, he was everything you wouldn’t want in a person. It’s not like when you think of Keith Richards being pleasantly blissed out in the corner.”

    • Joe August 2, 2011 at 3:20 am #

      Actually the autopsy showed that he had no illegal substances or alcohol in his system at the time… and Jennifer even said “How healthy he was.”

  8. yyhh August 8, 2008 at 12:28 pm #

    to me what is fishy is
    1) they both were arguing at the time..what was it about? breaking up?…no one can confirm it because one or the persons is now dead.

    2) who’s finger prints were found on the knife? hers. Its hard to tell if she push the knife in or if she was pulling it out…unless they examine the patterns of the blood on her clothing or in her STRANGELY she was allegedly taking a shower… blood patterns….

    wait IF she was taking a shower at the time, this mean they found blood on her clothing when she (allegedly) pulled the knife out of his chest?

    i’m glad at least the money is going to his family.

    It makes you wonder..if you write sad music and one day you’re found dead, is it fair that ppl/ police already assume that you did it to yourself?

  9. larry August 13, 2008 at 4:53 pm #

    fuck all you amateur forensics duechebags and mind your own business.

    any money should go to his foundation for abused children. his family sucks and should get NOTHING.

    • Amerigo March 5, 2010 at 2:02 am #

      Larry, you were abused as a child weren’t you?

      I’m sowwy….

  10. ktk October 17, 2008 at 9:10 pm #

    An Art Therapist in any agency is required to pass basic First Aid to treat a child. We know that she treats children. We also know First Aid…..Okay?

    • serendipity April 6, 2010 at 4:12 pm #

      ktk, I am very interested by your comment. How do you know she treats children?
      I hope you’ll come back here.

  11. Megan Elizabeth January 21, 2009 at 6:51 pm #

    if you don’t believe jennifer did it then i think you’re fucking stupid.

    there are the actual documents, possible “suicide vs. homicide” is stated clearly and her refusal to speak with police is stated clearly. what’s funny is that in cases like that in most situations they will take the “other person” into custody. jennifer chiba was nothing but a money-hungry bitch and the only mistake she made was not altering his life insurance papers to list her as the benificiary and THEN kill him. that is why she had to sue him posthumously!
    the bitch didn’t mourn for anything but her bank account!
    i really really believe that LAPD needs to REOPEN THIS CASE AND PROVE THAT HE DID NOT COMMIT SUICIDE. THERE ARE WAYS. look what they have done to other “closed” cases. if the fucking pigs would have done their job in the first place and truly treated the house like a crime scene and really picked through it, they would have found it wasn’t a suicide. believe me i have seen it many times. there is such a thing as luminol and a blacklight to really see where the blood went.

  12. kevin January 22, 2009 at 2:15 pm #

    leni, you can never be taken seriously if you use such poor grammar.

    but for any doubters, just look at the reports on

    nothing about this case is conclusive, especially the actions during and following Smith’s death by his girlfriend, Chiba.

    she’s basically nowhere to be found.

    I think the random wounds on his hands and upper arm say it all. because if he killed himself, where did they come from?

    My guess is she tried “comforting him” by hugging him from behind, grabbed a kitchen knige, stabbed him, and while he was reacting, stabbed him a second time.

    this would explain several things:

    -it appears to be a suicide wound because it comes from the same direction as it would if he had done it himself.

    -it provides a reason for defense wounds on his hands and his upper arm (the hands around the knife going in or coming out, an the upper arm from whichever arm she slid the knife around)

    -the note spelling his own name wrong, and being the lyrical, depressed, deep musician that he was, that tiny stingy note doesn’t really make much sense, either

    -they were mid argument

    -chiba wanted his money afterwards

    -she said the family agreed with everything she said and believed it was a suicide, while in turn, they are still looking for the “truth”

    jennifer chiba is a walking murderer. she probably couldn’t take smith leaving her, thus ending her magical run for her and her band.

    she’s courtney love, only less crazy (perhaps) and less famous.

  13. Silvio March 16, 2009 at 6:11 am #

    Wow, these comments really disgust me. At least most of them. I was next door around the time of his death and was there for the aftermath when neighbors were interviewed regarding this situation. If you think that Jennifer did not mourn or was only there to get the little money that Elliott had then you are sorely mistaken. I suggest you do a bit more research or just keep silent regarding those opinions because a lot of nasty things went on after his death regarding the family that Elliott had tried to distance himself from in those years. They broke up his studio equipment, some items originally used by The Beatles that were his pride and joy. They also brought in producers that Elliott had not wanted to work with in the first place to finish his last recordings.

    Jennifer was a mess. She was in a terrible state of grief after his death and could not really do much but seek the support from her friends at the time because of what had occured and what she had witnessed. She did speak with the police. She tried to save Elliott’s last recordings from being butchered and passed them on to few select people so that we could hear what he actually wanted. She tried to save his studio from being sold off piece by piece.

    As to her being “nowhere to be found.” I have no clue what anyone means about this. If you mean she isn’t an active artist anymore or in the media then you would be correct but you are implying that she took off to Mexico or something like that to hide out from her supposed guilt. This is simply not true. She stayed in that house months after the incident.

    I met Elliott on many occasions during this period and although he was in better spirits he was still deeply disturbed.

    Let it rest, nothing is going to change the past or bring Elliott back. He lives through his music and not the facts of his death.

    • Amerigo March 5, 2010 at 2:06 am #


    • serendipity April 2, 2010 at 10:39 pm #

      Little money Elliott had? she sued his estate for $1 million!!
      I fucking did A LOT of research, and this case is not clear at all.
      She was the one to break in his studio in the middle of the night to take some stuff the second night after Elliott’s death. There were witnesses. They were not married, his recordings did not belong to her.
      She left the country a few months after it happened, she went to England and elsewhere, again I have evidence of this, so no, we should not let it rest.

  14. Jess April 13, 2009 at 9:30 am #

    I would be a mess as well if I killed my boyfriend.
    I fully beleive she did it.

  15. Billy April 13, 2009 at 1:27 pm #

    those of us that fucken actually know Jennifer and the late Elliott know that Jennifer was one of the few people that cared about him. It’s unwise for a bunch of people that don’t even know jennifer to come up with a conclusion by reading some shit on the internet. Elliott was with Jenn because she was one of the sweetest people one could meet.

    • Amerigo March 5, 2010 at 2:07 am #

      ok, Jennifer….

      You do know that you’re the only person who has ever said that, right?

  16. Alfredo July 2, 2009 at 5:21 pm #

    It is great to hear that she didn’t get anything from elliott’s money. I have the feeling that she killed him. I saw a recent picture of her with another guy in elliott’s memorial wall and she is ugly, I can’t believe elliott fell for her.

    • Johnny Dalle April 7, 2012 at 4:48 pm #

      jesus… i’m laughing so hard with this i should not, but, it’s funny how you say “and she is ugly”…. XD

  17. Alfredo July 2, 2009 at 5:37 pm #

    There is one thing that bothers me. Why didn’t the police investigate this case any further, I can’t believe it, since forensics in the States work so hard to get to the truth.

  18. Miss July 18, 2009 at 6:05 pm #

    Why did she sue for part of his estate’s money after he died? How much was she trying to get? A few hunded? Thousand? Murderer or not, that is pretty sick.

    • s May 2, 2010 at 1:20 pm #

      I read that she was suing for one million.

  19. idiotpolice September 9, 2009 at 2:14 pm #

    @Alfredo concerning Chiba’s looks, it’s not like Elliott was winning any beauty contests himself. But what do you know, you actually judge people by how they look.

  20. Annie September 10, 2009 at 8:32 pm #

    Are people completely forgetting the point & what happened? It doesn’t matter what happened or who did it; the point is, he’s dead. & each day I keep reading stuff about it, coming to the full realization of his death, and it really hurts & almost makes me cry how important he was. :/ She was beautiful, very beautiful, but if it comes out she did it, she did it. They should reopen the case, along with tupacs… I’d say she prob. didn’t want to talk to the cops as most people don’t, they’ve been taught by friends or others that they shouldn’t talk to them no matter what. R.I.P. Elliott.

    • Amerigo March 5, 2010 at 2:08 am #






  21. Monica Carrico/Niki Tenner September 19, 2009 at 8:16 pm #

    It is always a wonder to me that there appear to be so many people who perceive themselves the holders of (1)infinite insight into matters of which they have no personal knowledge, and (2) infinite time on this planet, apparently having been bestowed upon them expressly for the purpose of speculating about mercilessly and cruelly, without any remorse whatsoever, about a groundless plot-line of Shakespearian proportions that has had tragic repercussions on the life of one very dear friend of mine. My very strong suggestion to all of you is: GET YOUR OWN F’ING LIFE and START WRITING ABOUT THAT.

    Gossips are Bloodsuckers with no Core Self.

    Monica Carrico or Niki Tenner, whichever evolution of me you know better.

    • erik September 25, 2009 at 9:08 pm #

      enough said

  22. friend of Beck October 3, 2009 at 5:27 pm #

    makes you sick, doesn’t it? reading the “i-know-what-happened-she-did-it” opinions from mindless internet trolls who have nothing better to do than vomit their own half-baked ideas on what happened when they know nothing about the person or the event in question. It sickens me, but you know what, we live in an Idiocracy now, so we should get used to this tripe.

    I hate everyone who posted shit here who knows nothing about what they said, and THANK YOU to those who actually knew Elliott and had the heart to write something to defend him and the woman he loved.

    Fuck the rest of you scumbags. If I could do it, you would all be dirt napping.

    RIP Elliott 10/21

    • Amerigo March 5, 2010 at 2:10 am #


      -”If I could do it, you would all be dirt napping.”

      YOU’RE not a psycho! Scumbag. Looks like more than 1 person around Smith was an uncontrolled & murderous ingrate.

  23. crazyfucker fromthesouth October 4, 2009 at 11:51 pm #

    Wow, you ‘murder murder!’ judge&jury a-holes really need to keep your angry claims to yourself. Freaking disgusting to accuse someone of being a murderer simple due to baseless crap. You aren’t a friggin detective because you watch CSI, jackass.

  24. ArmijoGirl November 3, 2009 at 6:15 pm #

    I miss you Elliott! Who cares about JENNIFER FUCKING CHIBA!? No one will ever know what happened that day, but she sure made herself look bad by…
    1. Taking out the knife
    2. Not talking to police
    3. Trying to take his money
    4. Stealing music out of the recording studio days after his death

    He was a great song-writer, one of the best and should be remembered as that, not Jennifer’s victim. If only it were her that day…

    • Amerigo March 5, 2010 at 2:11 am #


    • serendipity April 7, 2010 at 4:55 pm #

      If it were her that day? a woman with a knife in her chest, her boyfriend with his fingerprints on the knife and blood everywhere in the house? Elliott would have been put in jail, no doubt about that.

  25. tay May 21, 2011 at 11:34 am #

    y don’t the police do their fucking jobs?? it is so very rare that someone would stab themselves TWICE.
    his body was clean of all drugs and alcohol- that means he was SOBER, so nothing dulled the pain of the first stab. he would’ve fallen over and either been in shock or fainted after the first stab EVEN IF HE STABBED HIMSELF.
    and what kind of IDIOT pulls out the knife??? oh, right, u would pull out the knife if u were stabbing a person repeatedly, don’t you?
    even if she loved him deeply, couples can get into passionate arguments and do something regrettable. it is certainly strange to me that she just HAPPENED to be showering. did the cops even check to see if there were traces of blood in the drain of the tub???
    this is so deeply disturbing, because as someone who is a manic/depressive, i would HOPE that people don’t just jump to the immediate conclusion that i committed suicide if i was murdered, just because i was depressed.
    fucking cops.

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