By Zooey Mae
My favorite Synthesis columnist of all time has to be Daniel Taylor. I was supremely bummed when he called his decade-long run at Synthesis to an end to pursue law school. In my opinion, some of his best columns were when he received hate mail and published the letters, along with his own responses to them. So imagine my delight when yesterday, thanks to a plug from FilmDrunk.com, thousands of people flooded the Synthesis site to read a pared down and edited version of a column which ran a few weeks ago in our print edition. Said column expressed my irritation with females who feel the need to put themselves in the box of “female nerd,” or (vomit) “geek girl”. You Synthesis readers might remember that I used the title of one blog in particular, Has Boobs, Reads Comics, to vent my frustration. After the shit storm of comments people left, I started to feel a little bad for telling HBRC writer Jill I wanted to punch her in the boobs, as people seemed to think I actually planned on doing so (is this the death of hyperbole and satire?). I wrote her an email telling her just that, explaining that although I still didn’t like the title of her blog, I wished no ill-will on either her left or right boob, and apologized if I’d hurt her feelings. Apparently this wasn’t enough for some people, as it caused the creator of a website I wrote for in the past to write a scathing condemnation of me on BleedingCool.com. In her post, Kate Kotler takes on a self-righteous, Mother Hen attitude while still taking every opportunity to deliver catty remarks. In a hilarious (and fitting) turn of events, dozens of responses flooded into Bleeding Cool calling Miss Kotler out on her hypocritical response. It’s odd; it seems that people really will just root for whatever underdog the internet has to offer.
Phew. Ok, so now that you’re essentially all caught up, I’d like to take this opportunity to share some of the responses my post has illicited, both on the Bleeding Cool site, as well as our own Synthesis blog.
“The thing is, I know Zooey Mae, as she is someone who used to write for Geek Girl on the Street.com. I’m deeply troubled because the huge ad hominem swing against Jill just doesn’t make any sense: Perhaps Ms. Mae hasn’t done her homework and doesn’t know that Jill Pantozzi is one of the most respected female pop-culture writers there is working today.” – Kotler
First of all, I do read the Has Boobs, Reads Comics blog. Her writing is not what I take issue with. She really seems to know her stuff; it’s that damn title that irks me so. Accompanied by cropped pictures of spandex-clad comic character tits, the Has Boobs, Reads Comics title is the umbrella under which all her writing falls. Personally I’d rather discuss my penchant for comics as a person, not primarily as a girl.
“Sadly, even after being confronted with the hypocrisy of the article she wrote Zooey hasn’t exactly owned up to her mistakes. She’s blamed bad editing for the tone of the article and claimed that her “hyperbolic, clumsy way” and the fact that she’s a “highly sarcastic and cynical person” are legitimate reasons for lashing out at Jill.” – Kate Kotler
Well Kotler, no, I apologized that I hurt Jill’s feelings, because my initial post was hyperbolic and sarcastic, but contrary to what you seem to think, I’m not actually a malicious person. I felt regret that I hurt her feelings, but not for having an opinion, albeit a strong one. I stand by what I said about girls who identify themselves as female nerds before just claiming “nerd” as their title. It seems sexist and totally unnecessary to me to call attention to yourself in such a “yeah, I have tits and I read comics, what of it” kind of way. If we wish to be treated as equals, then behaving thusly would seem to me to be step one, not flaunting our ladybits in an attempt to shatter some already outdated preconception about the nerd community.
“You could put up a video of a man shitting in a cup and people would talk about it on the internet, it means nothing beyond the fact that people have nothing better to do.” – Charlesknight (commenter)
This. Is. Awesome. And I’m sure this video does exist, I mean, it has to, right? And yes, this discussion has become ludicrous. It’s still entertaining though, for the same reason that Lobster Dog or videos of the Bedroom Intruder are entertaining. People like stupid shit. People also like to argue about stupid shit. Like for instance, whether or not it’s lame to self-identify as a “geek girl”. I think it’s lame, backwards, and sexist. And in the future, unless it’s totally rubbed in my face, I’ll keep my stupid trap shut. Maybe.
“If I was so worried about what someone on the internet had written about me that I was out looking for ‘allies’, I’m be more concerned in work out what had gone wrong with my psyche. I’m reminded of that old saying about academics, “the arguments are so bitter because the stakes are so small”.” – JensAltmann
Oh, boy. Sometimes you comb these threads and come across a gem like this that just makes your day. I’m a writer with a weekly column that reviews comics and graphic novels. I don’t claim to be the be-all-end-all authority on the subject, I just know a little about a lot and put considerable effort into maintaining at least a tenuous awareness of the current pulse of such things. But man, after over 150 columns, you write one thing in a moment of snark and suddenly the internet is aflame.
“Let’s read the article slowly, I do believe her annoyance is with the title of the blog, why must you take internet seriously, I mean punching boobs? That’s comedy gold right there” – Achmad Sirman
“OMG YES!!! About the whole thing but especially the Whedon fans. I managed a comic shop for 3 years and they are SO annoying. A bunch of girls who think they’re empowered by stories that are in fact some of the most sexist works in geek fiction.” – Alan Stowe
It’s just nice to know some people sifted through my poorly executed, rash comments and understood what I was getting at. I wasn’t saying Joss Whedon sucks, just the people who come into the comic shops every week who primarily purchase Whedon comics. In my experience, they’ve always been the worst customers. Extremely unreliable, the biggest tabs racked up… the list goes on.
“The woman whose boobs you want to punch? her name is jill Pantozzi, she has Muscular Dystrophy and is in a wheelchair , you heartless bitch.” — Guy Furnetti
Am I supposed to pity her because she’s in a wheelchair? I don’t, as it seems patronizing. I would guess, strong, intelligent woman that she claims (and seems) to be, that she wouldn’t fancy that either. And come on, you really don’t think the idea of punching someone’s boobs is funny?
If this experience has taught me anything, it’s that America really needs to funnel more money into public education with an emphasis on reading comprehension. I understand someone feeling the need to lash out and attack someone who they feel has personally attacked a friend of theirs, but it seems to me that Kotler needs to learn to let things go and take a joke at face value instead of dissecting it to death and writing response rants at 4 AM when you don’t have the energy to spell check or make coherent points. I’m quite aware of my insignificance, but I’ll continue putting my ridiculous ramblings out there for the world to read, dismiss, or what have you. Cheers.
I think her whole reaction was just a excuse to talk about her boobs all day on twitter. Even after she posted a rebuttal she STILL kept giving updates about her boobs being unpunched. Shut up already with your high school drama, Pantozzi.
Its true. I had never heard of her but started following her twitter to see her side, and all day “still no boob punch” which only serves to stir a fan riot and mob mentality against someone for having a different opinion. Now I feel confident Jill thought it was simply a funny thing to play around with all day. But her fans, based on the hate filled responses on the post, clearly didn’t see as anything but an excuse to rally against someone who thought differently from while spouting “community”. In a community, there is room for different opinions and views. If they want everyone to think the same way they do, then great, turn the geek community into some fascist regime. People really needed to take a moment and think before taking everything so personally and grabbing their torches and pitchforks.
Wow they are really mad at you zoe, next time you might think twice before speed bagging a nerd girls tits
Basically what we had here were a bunch of girls who thought it was okay to flaunt sex (boobs) in the name of geek girl empowerment because its just funny but a hyperbolic off handed remark about punching someone in the boobs (violence) isn’t funny.
Personally i think that Jill is a community leader in geekdom as a whole, whether that was a choice or circumstance, she has a responsibility to that community. And part of that responsibility is being the example for positive change. Segregating yourself as a boob flaunting comic book reader only serves to perpetuate the stigma. Granted, jill said it was a different time then (not where I grew up, but whatever) and she wanted to shed light on the fact that girls were geeks too. But then she and her fans and much of their buzz on twitter regarding this focused on geek equality. Then be the positive change in the community. None of my geek girl friends discuss the issue of geek equality because we’re all just geeks together in our group, which is fairly large and diverse. The only place I see this still being discussed is in the media, primarily on the internet. Its not happening in the shops (all of the ones I frequent are very diverse every time I’m in them), its not happening in social circles (at least none of the many I travel in) its only happening in this bubble. But that bubble is read and viewed by a LOT of people. Long time geeks, new geeks (welcome!), male and female. So if true equality in that community is to be achieved, its up to the public faces of that community to be the change and set the example. Geeks. Together. Not geek girls, not geek boys, geek this or geek that. Just geeks. We’re all outcasts somewhere, so how bout we don’t add to the labeling by doing it within our own community?
Side note: I’m pretty convinced Wonder Woman wouldn’t appreciate her tits being zoomed in on and put on public display. Hasn’t she curb stomped the Dark Knight for less?
And just so no one misreads that first bit, punching can be funny just as often as sex. After the level of reading comprehension on the other post, I’m scared I have “likes” on this comment because I wasn’t being clear enough… lol
I think the reason you have “likes” on your comment may have to be because of this comment you made: “Geeks. Together. Not geek girls, not geek boys, geek this or geek that. Just geeks.” I know that’s why I liked it.
I have never been referred to as a nerd girl, just a nerd. And that’s what we all need to do, get rid of the gender titles. The gender doesn’t make you any more or less of what you are.
Also, i loved that Kate quoted “A jedi uses the Force only for defense, never for attack”, while attacking Zoey in retaliation. Retaliation isn’t a defense, its another form of attack. To use another quote from Yoda, “That, is why you fail.”
It’s a nice response, Zooey.
I was gonna comment more but then I remembered what it’s like talking to a brick wall.
For those who commented, flamed and took it personally on the other thread, tl;dr all your comments so here I am, extending my middle finger to you all.
The internet is so cool, I can just walk away and carry on watching Community now.
Don’t make me call for /blackup.
You see the problem here is, your joke wasn’t funny. Humor requires a set up and a punchline. What it was in fact was a flailing attempt at attacking a respected journalist with an actual sense of humor. There was no insight to your initial post. It was an ad hominem attack. This however is a poor attempt at deflection. Doesn’t work and now your blog is back to the same six jackasses who were posting on it before. No increase in traffic, no new readers.
just a pack of “Meetoo’s” stroking your hair and saying “There there, dear, your not a waste of space , no matter what the comics community says”.
P.S. I worked in two different comic book shops as well. Must mean I’m a genius too, doesn’t it?
For a not funny joke I sure as hell laughed
loud.
You should totally work as this sites editor. You could have been there to tell her that “wasn’t funny” since your rulebook clearly states what is and is not funny to everyone in the world.
Also the entire comic community did not call Zooey a waste of space either btw. Just some rabid sycophantic suck ups that indirectly proved her point perfectly. I didn’t know Zooey or Jill’s work before the day of the great divide, but that and your decrees and attacks at those who agree with Zooey (and don’t exist in your little bubble) and all the rabble rabble rabble you all can muster does nothing to take away from the fact that plenty of people got what concept was ACTUALLY being discussed before you all showed up to, how did you put it? oh yeah, stroke Jill’s hair and saying “There there, dear, your not perpetuating a stigma with your clever little blog title that makes you a hypocrite for calling one blogger out for sexism for NOT wanting to see anymore exploitation, no matter what those mean other nerds with their own experience based opinions of the world say”.